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Yes, you can shutup about Colorado and keep your opinions on gun control to yourself

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I moved to Colorado about ten months ago.And though I am a native Texan, Colorado is my adoptive state. In my 31 years, 18 were in Texas and 12 were in Illinois, so that should tell you something. I love this state and the people in it. Just as the people of Texas are my people, the people of Colorado are my adoptive people. Recently, my Colorado people have suffered through forest fires. And now they’ve suffered through an horrific tragedy. My upbringing has been between one of the most conservative states in the union and one of the most liberal, as far as gun laws go. So I have a lot of friends on both sides of the gun issue that want to share their thoughts. And you know what? You can shut up about gun control for a day or two.

[Edit: July 26]An introduction to what you’re about to read

I wrote this article around midnight last Saturday. I live 20 or 30 minutes from Aurora. I know the theater. What happened wasn’t a piece of news, it was an event where live.  By midnight, Saturday, my friends in Illinois and Texas had already decided the fate of gun control for this country. I was fed up.

I am a web developer by trade. My blog averages 30 or 40 hits a week and suddenly, I was getting hundreds of views on this article. Business Insider picked it up and wanted to interview me. Because I am weary of what the media will write, I wrote the follow up article “I’m a hypocrite…” where I explained the reason I own an AK-74  was for fun and proposed that mandatory training should be the only regulation we need.  Fox News emailed me this morning and posted my blog post on their site (with an incorrect title).  And now I’m averaging 150 hits a minute.

What I wrote was a reaction to both the arguments for gun control and for concealed weapons. Both arguments have flaws and I wanted to rationalize the issues with both. If you’re looking for my position, it’s  the one where I have a 9mm Sig on my hip and an AK-74  in my hands.

And yes, I know an AK isn’t an assault rifle. I’m not an expert. 

My wife served six years in the Air Force, including time in wartime Bosnia. I applied to three different branches; I am unable to serve due to a medical condition. Saying that I don’t love the country, 2nd amendment, or freedom isn’t nice and it isn’t true.  Now… please put yourself in the context of a Saturday night in a suburb of Denver and keep reading.

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You can shutup about gun regulations and gun bans

I own an assault rifle, two handguns, and a shotgun. And of course, I purchased them all legally. I have a college degree and I don’t have any criminal history beyond speeding tickets. If you’re looking at a background check, I’m no different than James Eagan Holmes. Compare resumes and you’ll pick him; he had a better GPA than I did and actually pursued a higher education than I have.

The difference between James Holmes and me is that one of us walked into a theater and murdered people. One of us wanted to make our home into a giant bomb to kill our neighbors. One of us values human life.  There’s no law on the planet that will change how a man values the life of another. Outlaw online sales, assault rifles, guns, liquids over 3 ounces, and he still would find a way to murder.

You can shutup about how concealed carry fixes everything

Colorado isn’t much different from Texas as far as gun laws are concerned. In fact, Texas is the only state in the union where open carry is illegal ( the ability to carry a gun in public for all to see). Concealed carry is legal and fairly easy to obtain in the state of Colorado. In fact, my wife and I went through the class. Our course was taught by a police officer and firearms instructor; he was rarely qualified to educated us on conceal carry rules and the actual gun laws in Colorado.

So here’s a few things you should know:

  • It is perfectly legal to conceal a firearm in a movie theater in Colorado if you have a license
  • Colorado concealed-carry classes aren’t required to be taught by law enforcement
  • Colorado concealed-carry classes don’t require that you demonstrate proficiency with a fire arm
  • Colorado concealed-carry classes don’t require that you even shoot a firearm

You can shutup about how things would have been different if someone had a gun

I’ve fired and used guns my whole life. I don’t claim to be an expert or even overly proficient. And though I have shot a few thousand rounds in my life, I don’t think that would matter for me or  others in this situation. So here’s what you soon-to-be heroes with conceal weapons permits should know:

  • You’re not Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer, or Bruce Wayne. Situational awareness takes training that you don’t get as a civilian. You won’t recognize a threat until it’s too late.
  • Unless you’ve trained with the exact weapons system you’re carrying, you’ll you could  miss. It takes hundreds of hours with a firearm to really be proficient. Do you know what you’d do if it jams?  Can you reload before the last round leaves your chamber? How many rounds in your magazine? Have you even practiced drawing your weapon if it’s concealed? Now think about doing this in a firefight. 
  • Proficiency deteriorates without practice. When was the last time you fired your gun? Police and military practice regularly for their jobs. You do it irregularly for fun.
  • A thousand hours on the range aren’t the same as a hundred seconds in a real shootout. Can you recognize the threat, obtain a site picture, and neutralize the target with a gun pointed at you?  Police and military don’t just learn how to do this once, they actually train in these situations.
  • There’s a solid chance you won’t even pull the trigger. There is huge psychological trauma associated with taking a life. Estimates are that between 1/3rd and 1/4th of guns on the battlefield in WWII were never shot. There are even police officers and soldiers who have been killed because they didn’t have what it took to kill.
  • Even if you train with your gun, you do it until you get it right. Police and military do it until they don’t get it wrong.  You’re just not ready like they are to use your gun. Your reaction may not be the same as someone who’s trained for this. 

I really don’t care what you think could have been different

Real people died. This isn’t the time to run your mouth about politics and gun control. And while my friends are alive and well, some of their friends and family aren’t so lucky.  This is real to me.

So yeah…I’m betting that 100% of people getting shot would like to have a way to protect themselves. Not one person there was thinking, “I wish it were harder to get an assault rifle…maybe we should repeal the 2nd amendment.” They were running for their lives and praying for deliverance. Every person there wanted a way to end the violence. This is about surviving a shootout, not repealing guns.

I don’t give two craps what you think you would have done if you were there. You weren’t. Hundreds of others were. They could have been armed, and maybe some were. Just a gun isn’t enough. Even if you’re police or military, there’s a difference between training for this and experiencing it. Unless you’ve experienced a fire-fight, shut up.

Just shutup about Colorado

I live in the Denver area, and not very far from Aurora. On July 20th I woke up with the news and was scared for the lives of my church family. I’m not affected nearly in the same way these victims are. But I may meet these victims and their families. My wife may go to work with people who were there.  Families of victims may visit my church. This isn’t something that happened on the news. This is something that happened where I live.

I could have been there. I could have had a gun. I could have done something.

But I wasn’t there.I wouldn’t have had a gun (because I don’t have my license yet), and I don’t have a clue what I would have done.

So all I can do is shutup and pray. So should you.

[July 24, 2012: UPDATE: I’m a hypocrite. Rob Wile from Business Insider had a 45-minute interview with me on the subject of gun control]

[July 24, 2012: UPDATE: here’s a follow up blog post I wrote which summarizes my interview with Rob: ]

[July 25, 2012: UPDATE: Here’s the article on Business Insider]

[July 26, 2012: UPDATE: Fox news asks permission to repost part of the blog, and subsequently the world hates me. ]

[July 25, 2012: UPDATE: On account of the factual issues and general thoughts of what’s been written, I’ve written a small summary of corrections for you  to review]

459 Comments


  1. So your point is to be unarmed, even if you have a CCW permit, and just hope for the best? Whether you pull out your concealed firearm, freeze, or run away, that’s should be your decision, but at least you have an option. Some of us shoot tens of thousands of rounds per year through Title 1 and Title 2 firearms, which may or may not make a difference in the scenario at hand. BTW, there is no such thing as “permit to own automatic weapons”. You have to have a copy of ATF approved Form 4 in your possession for each transferable firearm (unless you are a dealer or manufacturer; their class designations and associated paperwork is too complex to discuss here).


  2. The ownership of semi-automatic rifles is not so much about individual self-defense as it is about the core 2nd Amendment aim to have an armed populace capable of overthrowing its government should that government become despotic & tyrannical.

    The issue of CCW & whether an armed citizen present would have changed the outcome, your flippant “shut up” is way off base. You are someone with a little bit of knowledge, not an expert. Were the thesis of your arguements on the capability of an armed citzen to respond to a threat true, then the hundreds of incidents where armed citizens defended themselves or others – would not have happened. So like the left side of the debate, you are ignoring the empirical data.

    Look at the 4 videos toward the bottom of this page for cases where you are dead wrong.

    http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2012/07/25/front-sight-blog-because-americans-and-cops-arent-insane-like-bloomberg/

    I also used to attend that same theatre – stopped both because of their “gun free zone” and moving further away. I was armed that night, at a different theatre that respects our laws on CCW and doesn’t attempt to thwart the intent with a workplace rule (if they post no guns, you have to comply under the law, CCW or not). They posted, 12 people paid with their lives and almost 60 more injured. Certainly any of the military guys present, of whom 2 were killed heroiccally covering their girlfriend’s bodies, could have counter-attacked.

    Following, I’ll post to you the points that I contend show that an armed patron could have and would have prevented loss of life & injury at the theatre that night.

    A) He had poor aim. He was in there for many minutes, yet the death toll was comparatively low if you consider this versus the VA Tech shooting where 30+ were killed in a couple minutes by accurate fire with a handgun. My sister-in-law works at a local hospital, she told us a large number of the gunshot wounds were from shotgun pellets – the man opened fire on the crowd, largely seated, which would have hit several people per shot from the shotgun. His rifle & pistol fire was much more random and inaccurate. A mobile defender would have been a difficult target for him especially given his encumbrance.

    B) Any armed citizen that fought back would have had an initial surprise advantage. Used effectively they could have put the gunman down despite his seeming advantages (which weren’t as great as perceived by the public as discussed below).

    C) Body armor is not “bullet proof” – it may prevent penetration, but unless impacts are on steel/ceramic reinforced plates (which I have not heard he had, nor do they cover all areas) it is like a hammer blow or baseball bat each time an energetic round hits. An armed citizen firing from 20-30 feet away or closer may not incapacitate him, but they would off-balance and likely knock the wind out of him allowing them to close and incapacitate him at close range.

    D) His body armor heavily restricts his movement. He had something like 60 pounds of stiff, movement impairing gear on. His gas mask restricts peripheral vision in a moderately dark theatre; his throat protector restricts movement of the neck. A person intent on counter attacking him could have blind sided him if they used surprise (don’t fire till they were closer thru the chaos and from his side).

    E) Due to his armor, he is more vulnerable to grappling. I am actually surprised that even unarmed; people did not take him down when he reloaded as has happened to assailants perpetrating mass shootings at other times, like in Arizona early this year. Being a novice his reload times and jam clearance would have been slow. If someone had a firearm to use defensively, even hits on the armor would have stopped for stunned the gunman for several seconds, repeated fire while closing could have allowed a defender to knock him on the ground or even body slam him as he recovered balance.

    F) Win, lose or draw – The act of forcible resistance may well have unnerved the gunman, driving him to retreat from the theatre. He was obviously concerned about counter fire & taking wounds himself given the extent of his armoring and that he did not resist police which would have ensured he would have been shot. That is if the resistance did not result in his incapacitation from defensive fire or the crowd turning on him once resistance was offered. It is human nature that once a person acts, others follow. Flight 93 is an excellent example of people trapped in a certain death situation who chose to act rather than sit idly by. Resistance to his attack would have altered the outcome, assuredly to the better in reducing the loss of life and injuries suffered.


    1. I agree–the 2nd amendment is about citizens having the ability to defend themselves from a “possible” tyrannical government. If one leaves this fact out of the equation then gun control advocates will defeat the argument of owning combat rifles by asking ‘why do you need an “assault rifle” to defend yourself against burglar or other criminals. No one will be able to militarily defend himself with a pistol and shotgun alone.


  3. How bout some research next time?? Open carry of handguns is illegal in California – you can only carry concealed, with a permit.


  4. What a lengthy, condescending, pretentious, presumptive and entertaining rant. In spite of your self-anointed “expert” status, it’s comforting knowing that you have no more votes in this democracy than the rest of us. Your “I-have-an-internet connection-therefore-I-am-the-smartest-man-in-the-world” syndrome just a projection of the cranial rectum-itis that you suffer from.


  5. I agree wit most of your article. I am a law enforcement officer in Florida and have been in two deadly force up close and personal shooting. I am a former US Marine and Former Swat officer. In both shooting I saved people lives. I agree that a lot of CCW carriers just do not practice for the real thing. More and more officer are training with simunitions with force on force training with an active shooter and the reality of that type of training is that at close distance with rounds flying you have to fight through the fear of running for cover and focus on finding the threat and eliminating it. Static training is worthless. In both of my shootings I killed the aggressor. It was not pretty but there was no time to come up with a plan be. People were going to die. CCW’s are great but if you don’t train to fight then whats the point of carring the gun.


  6. You can’t carry a firearm into most theaters in Colorado as both United Artists and Century Theaters have a “no firearms” policy. No firearms even with a concealed handgun permit. It’s their property, private property, and they make the rules.


    1. That’s true but no criminal is going to obey a “no concealed weapons” sign. So they’re effectively letting criminals into their buildings with guns and everyone else is basically a sitting duck. If you look into the anti-gun regulations for more than 10 seconds you start to realize they make no sense at all.


  7. I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. One person can make a difference. better lucky than good!


  8. The main reason for the 2nd amendment and armed citizens was stated by Japanese Admiral Yamamoto in 1941. “You cannot invade the United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass”.


    1. That’s a good point too.


    2. Finally someone gets the point. America is armed as a deterent. I spoke to a Pacific veteran officer, which had asked a captured Japaneze officer why they did not go on to California, the officer replied “everyone knows that the U. S. has the largest standing army in the world… everone has guns”. I’ve also talked to an elderly German woman that was NOT a NAZI. We asked her why they didn’t stop Hitler. She said because we had no guns. I hope you all will pull your head out of your bottom and see what Obama is doing. He is tactfully disarming us. I for one will refuse to be disarmed. If he or his representative signs this I will march to Washington myself at 60….I suggest you do the same or start leaning Chinese….fools


  9. Don’t know if I agree with you. Great article though. I enjoyed your perspective and respect your opinion.


  10. How about YOU enjoy a nice big cup of shut the fff up?

    How dare you assign YOUR weaknesses upon everyone else? Just because YOU KNOW that you would not react anywhere near properly in this ugly situation, does not mean others wouldn’t.

    Are you stupid, or just in shock? Here’s one thing that is true: if there were several people in that theater with guns besides the jerk, the ODDS are that LESS people would have died.

    The ugly fact is that even if “friendly fire” casualties were to occur, the pure math of it stands that there would still be a lower body count, and most importantly of all… let me repeat: the most important of all… is that the ability of jerks like this to have their will acted out with NO response would be reduced.

    How do you not see that this is the ONLY thing that will reduce the ultimate loss of innocent life?

    You are an idiot, sir. An idiot.



  13. Smoke filled theater… crowd running and screaming… panic. Nobody with a concealed firearm would have remotely stood a chance of hitting their target at the distances in question with all of those conditions in place. Liars. This from a trained individual.


    1. So you’re apparently an individual not trained correctly or enough. Speak for yourself brother. Between my military training and my continued civilian training, I have no doubt as to what success I would have achieved in that environment. And if you’re not confident in your ability, then you need to knuckle down and get better. Your life and the lives of others may one day depend on it one day. What’s the point of your having that weapon if you’re so convinced you couldn’t use it?


    2. Sounds to me like you are pulling stuff out your butt, like the blogger. please document what you are saying as fact. If you cant sit down and let grown people speak


    3. They don’t allow smoking in Carmike theaters, or any other theater anymore. People screaming an running yes, but there are people who can think clearly and react quickly in those types of situations. All it would take is one of them to be present and armed.


  14. While you “get it” on some of this stuff, you miss it on the rest. There are plenty of people out there in the general public who are capable of using a concealed carry weapon to put a stop to a psycho like Holmes. Plenty of people with military training, who have done it until they didn’t get it wrong, and who continue their civilian training on a weekly basis. Myself being one of those people. So don’t be so quick to think you know it all and have it all right, because you don’t.


  15. Wow, after reading your article, I have to say it. I give you credit, for admitting the fact you were emotional. Just like all the anti gunners, thats the only argument they can make. Logic, reason and the truth don’t matter to them, it’s all emotional.

    We are emotional too, but truth wins over ignorance every time!

    As a firearms trainer. I am going to say, your full of shit! I became a firearms trainer in 1992 while working in law enforcement. I now train civilians, who don’t need to kick in doors in Iraq or serve warrants on SWAT teams. But by God, they might need to defend themselves from a madman in a movie theater who’s killing everyone in sight.

    I think you should step from behind your little blog and take a class by a world class instructor. Ever hear of Massad Ayoob? Rob Pincus, Michael Bane, Bill Rodgers. How about Thunder Ranch or Gunsite? No, you probably haven’t.

    What they teach, is preparation, awareness avoidance. You learn that you don’t need to put each bullet through the same hole on an X. What you need to do is stop the son of a bitch from killing kids in a theater!

    Either step up, or you sit down and shut up. You can cower under your desk hoping that the new gun law they pass protects you. Let the rest of us try and make a difference.

    Lt. Dave Grossman (look him up) predicted this. Guess what, it will happen again. Hope that NO GUN Sign works better this time.


  16. The writer of this opinionated piece is an idiot. Many states have laws against open carry but he says only Texas. That right there told me this turd didn’t do any research and just pulled this out of his arse. Go back to illinois. How many CCW holders are ex military or officers? How many CCW holders train day and night? how many can pull the trigger and hit the threat? you don’t know, so yes this piece is your opinion but full of flaws. go get educated and show documentation to back up your rant. till then , shut up.


  17. Mr. Taylor,

    You have assigned your lack of skill and lack of will to an entire nation. Just because you can’t or wouldn’t doesn’t mean other men are the same kind of weak incompetent “man” you celebrate being. I bet your wife feels really safe with you.

    Men, and women, who by your own admission here are more man than you are, defend themselves successfully every day.

    Shame on Fox News for even posting your wimpy drivel.


  18. Mr. Taylor, just like you stated you don’t give a crap what anyone thinks, I too share that opinion reading your opinion. Few people that carry a weapon are marksmen including law enforcement and military personnel. However if fire was returned to the alleged shooter in Colorado very likely there would have been less victims. Your article was produced in several news agencies because it is controversial and or it favored the opinion of the editor. You can take my word for this most law enforcement officers advise the public under certain circumstances to buy a gun and try and obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Of course take extensive courses and practice on a regular basis several times a month. It is not the quantities of rounds fired during practice but the quality that counts. I have made an oath (under the Sheriff) to uphold the law and defend my nation against domestic and foreign enemies, which I will keep until the day I die.


  19. Gee Frank, you’re a complete tool, aren’t you?!

    Just to point out a few;

    1. The theatre is private property, and was posted against concealed carry even with a permit, which Colorado law allows-as most states do. So your statement that it’s legal to carry in a Col. theatre is bogus, leaving out the private property clause.
    2. The picture being associated with this drivel is of a box full of magazines for various semi automatic rifles, yet it’s labelled that it’s ammunition.
    3. Shooting sports are a HUGE activity in this nation, assuming because you own a firearm with spiderwebs and dustbunnies in it everyone else does is complete folly.
    4. The liberal WHINE you didn’t use, suprisingly, is the “what does anyone need 6k rounds of ammo for?!”. Look at the math; man and wife shotgun competition for a 2 day weekend event. 100 “singles” targets, 100 “doubles” targets, and 100 “handicap” targets, per day. That’s 300 rounds of COMPETITION firing-no practice included. Multiplied by two days it’s 600 rounds JUST competing. Shotgun shells are sold by the box, 25 rounds per, or by the case, 500 rounds per, packaged in boxes. Two people using just over a case per weekend shooting in a “league”-just like bowling or pool etc.- might very well buy 5 or 6 months’ worth of ammo in bulk to save HALF the cost or more of buying it individually. Understand? Now double those figures if you include practice.
    5. Freeze ups in critical situations are rare. And it is not trained reactions that are necessary or any training whatsoever that allow someone the willingness to pull the trigger. It’s called the “survival instinct”-training is merely an augmentation to that foundation we are all, by the way, born with.

    Ok, maybe not slithering gutless snakes, but most of us.


  20. Hey I just started to read your blog which was posted on FoxNews.com. I am pro gun and also have a CCWP which is why I am writing you. You are misinforming he readers. I don’t know if it is by mistake or on purpose. You say CCWP class do not require students to demonstrate proficiency or even shoot a gun. This is absolutely false. In order to pass the class you must demonstrate proficiency with the gun by knowing all the parts and what they do. It also requires you to shoot a gun AND get all rounds within the inner circle. Please update your blog post because your information is wrong.


  21. I agree with you on most of these points, but disagree that No one has the training needed to rectify the problem. If you doubt that just look at the man in Florida who shot the guys robbing the cyber cafe. He hit one and the other ran. that’s all it took. Ballistic armor or not bullets hurt. it may have only taken 1 to stop him in his tracks. I for one, have gone to multiple CIVILIAN classes taught by both military and law enforcement. I train with my weapons VERY regularly, as ANY responsible gun owner should who plans on carrying. If you’re not going to train with your gun.. don’t carry it. Don’t assume that just because YOU don’t have the training that IS available to civilians doesn’t mean no one does.


  22. I agree with the author on most points. I do think if someone had a concealed weapon, the outcome may have been different. While the person may not have practiced very much and may not hit the shooter, just the fact they are sending lead in his direction could be enough to make him miss some of his targets. This is not a guarantee. I’ve was in the USAF for 20 years, part of which was in Security Police. I’ve been in shooting situations where firing back made the other guy run away. In many places, if a shooter thinks someone may have a concealed weapon, they may think twice about shooting up a crowded theater.


  23. Just a comment about the amount of practice military and law enforcement get. I am a competitive rifle shooter and pistol shooter. Myself and others train military personnel in firearms qualifications in Oklahoma and provide the rifles an ammo to do so as the military does not have the budget to provide training other than one day a year for qualification purposes. In addition I know of dozens of other civilian competitive shooters that train Army combat troops as Designated Marksmen enabling them to shoot accurately to 600+ yards. In 25+ years of competitive shooting I have only met two police officers that were competitive shooters, both of whom were shooters before they became law enforcement personnel. Your perception of the military and law enforcement as practicing all the time for “active shooter” scenarios is grossly overstated. While SWAT team members and spec op military personnel may get that type of training, the average military or police recruit gets basic training and one day a year of shooting practice. So it is very inaccurate to say that civilians would not be as effective as military or police in dealing with this type of situation. There are many civilians who would be better at dealing with this situation than the vast majority of military or police would be.


  24. Every thing you said might be true..
    However one thing you forgot to mention..

    Guns are made for one purpose only to hurt or kill something.

    Removing guns from society stops the criminals from killing with guns.

    The “RIGHT TO BARE ARMS” was a great idea when people hunted for there food,protected there homes from indian attack and for the early citizen soldiers

    Today we have grocery stores,the military and the police forces.We don’t need to bare arms.


    1. In the last few moments of your life, when a criminal has a pistol pointed at you, would you rather have a cell phone or would you rather have a pistol?


    2. When guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns. Read about the reduction in crime in concealed carry states. The police will not be there for you, but you can go on pretending if that makes you feel safe……


  25. That was a very long article on gun control….telling us to shut up about gun control. In the words of Yosemite Sam, “SHUT UP SHUTTIN’ UP!”


  26. Frank, you’ve taken a lot of heat for your position. Unfortunately that comes with the territory when you get national attention. I would like to apologize – we may disagree on some things but that does not justify my name calling etc. You have the courage of your convictions and I respect that. I want to wish you all the best.


  27. You can not surely say having a conceal carry weapon in that theater would not have prevented many of those wounded and killed. Just because you do not have the proper training and “situational awareness”, does not mean others in a packed theater would not. With at least 3 of those killed having military training, would you not consider that proper training?

    You have your opinion, I do not respect it – but I respect your ability to voice said opinion.

    In my opinion, I would hope that at least one soul would be carrying a concealed weapon – and regardless of military training or not – he/she would have at least had a greater chance at halting the bloodshed (versus a theater full of innocent, unarmed movie-goers).

    I am appalled that Foxnews would give you to grounds to spew your ignorant opinion on their website.

    Please gather some common sense – common sense that allows you a means to defend yourself, your loved ones, and the innocent. I mean – what would you have done??? Throw your popcorn at him??

    Give me a break.

    You’ve been in Colorado for too long, I am afraid.


  28. The entire mental dynamic changes when you are with family and they need protection.


  29. Let’s see now. It’s OK for you to express your opinion, but let me try to understand this: I’m not allowed to? Aren’t you telling me and everyone else who might have an opinion to “Shut up?” You not only don’t understand the 2nd Amendment, but it appears that our 1st Amendment isn’t very well comprehended by you either!

    Sounds to me, young fellow, like you have control issues!

    Lil’Joe in Texas


  30. I’m not sure I could get a “site” picture unless I took a photograph of my monitor, but I’m pretty sure I could get a sight picture
    You should ask for a refund from your university

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